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Hyper.nl · Jun 23, 2009, 12:58 PM // 12:58

I continue because GW is a great game and there are by far no alternatives in the no-timely-fee segment.

Tullzinski · Jun 23, 2009, 02:25 PM // 14:25

Old Navy Saying: A bitching sailor is a happy sailor!!!

If we were not happy we would not be bitching. If everyone really hated the game noone would even bother posting that they hate it and all the website and forums would be empty.

Everyone can just put on your happy helmet and sing along:

Hello, boys and girls, this is your old pal Stinky Wizzleteats. This is a
song about a whale-no! This is a song about being happy. That's right!
It's the Happy Happy Joy Joy song!

CHORUS
Happy happy joy joy
Happy happy joy joy
Happy happy joy joy
Happy happy joy joy
Happy happy joy joy
Happy happy joy joy
Happy happy joy joy joy

I don't think you're happy enough. That's right! I'll teach you to be
happy. I'll teach your grandmother to suck eggs.

CHORUS

If'n you ain' the graddaddy of all liars. The little critters of nature
they don't know that they're ugly. That's very funny! A fly marrying a
bumblebee. I told you I'd shoot! But you didn't believe me. Why didn't you
believe me?

CHORUS

Happy happy happy happy
Happy happy happy happy
Happy happy joy joy joy

Rocky Raccoon · Jun 23, 2009, 03:27 PM // 15:27

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Originally Posted by Greedy Gus

That's just not right. The OP here is one of the classic riverside people who pops into every thread negative to A-net and not only e-knights in their defense but mostly complains about or goes on the offensive against the people bringing the criticism. But in theory this is a good topic to have if he's willing to listen to responses (see more nuance than simply black & white, 'for' or 'against' anet) instead of trying to make a point with the OP (love it or leave it).

It's nice to know I am a classic. A good portion of the criticism I see is just ANET sucks, WoW is better, etc, without anything constructive about it. I just feel that ANET has done more good things than bad. I don't feel that because I post on Guru I can talk for all players like some here feel they have the right to do; I just speak for myself. Nothing is perfect and neither is GW, but it sure has done a whole lot right.

Karate Jesus · Jun 23, 2009, 07:47 PM // 19:47

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

It's nice to know I am a classic. A good portion of the criticism I see is just ANET sucks, WoW is better, etc, without anything constructive about it. I just feel that ANET has done more good things than bad. I don't feel that because I post on Guru I can talk for all players like some here feel they have the right to do; I just speak for myself. Nothing is perfect and neither is GW, but it sure has done a whole lot right.

There's an old maxim in the South (of the US) that basically says, "America: Love It or Leave It". That is an asinine saying. The truth is that real Americans, who actually love their country, will point out our faults more often than our strengths. It's not because they are unpatriotic or ungrateful, it's because they are passionate about their country and strive to improve upon the foundation. Social unrest often occurs because people love their country, not because they hate it.

The same thing goes for GW. Often people who complain about it are angry at the lack of attention that GW is now getting considering how much it used to get. Or they're angry about broken game mechanics or poor game updates (or in our current state, the XTH being broken). And if they feel that they are owed services or rights,that is probably because they have invested so much of their time and effort into the game and it's community, and to deny them those rights and services outrages them because of their strong bond to the very community that bore their efforts.

If you are ignorant enough to think that a "Guild Wars: Love It or Leave It" approach is a good idea, then you should be prepared to watch a majority of the players who love this game and the community built around it, leave it. Constructive criticism is great and all, but sometimes heads need to roll in order for change to occur.

Rocky Raccoon · Jun 23, 2009, 09:01 PM // 21:01

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

Constructive criticism is great and all, but sometimes heads need to roll in order for change to occur.

I bolded what I agree with. As for heads rolling unless we are stockholder of ANET we have no right to demand any personnel changes. We take what is offered, make suggestions and hope they listen. In America we have a free market economy where people speak with their money, that is what talks.

Karate Jesus · Jun 23, 2009, 09:16 PM // 21:16

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

I bolded what I agree with. As for heads rolling unless we are stockholder of ANET we have no right to demand any personnel changes. We take what is offered, make suggestions and hope they listen. In America we have a free market economy where people speak with their money, that is what talks.

I didn't say that we have the right to demand anything. What I was suggesting is that some people in the community may feel like they are owed something because of their time and effort. Those are two very different things.

Oh, and as far as the constructive criticism comment goes, the truth is that everyone reacts differently to what they perceive to be "bad news". Some people are constructive, some just get pissed off. Tbh, it's a lot easier to ignore constructive criticism than it is to ignore riotous anger.

Ghost Omel · Jun 23, 2009, 09:18 PM // 21:18

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

I bolded what I agree with. As for heads rolling unless we are stockholder of ANET we have no right to demand any personnel changes. We take what is offered, make suggestions and hope they listen. In America we have a free market economy where people speak with their money, that is what talks.

I agree 100% but you left yourself open at one sensative spot.. those who pick sentances apart will say "Well i payed the moneu for it.. and bought all the chapters and the expansion and bought char slots. yada yda" they would thinkb thats what ya said instead of the Stock option you have mentioned earlier in the post. But yeah nice post.. I wouldnt mind getting some Anet stock.. AZctually any gaming Giants stock.. gaming rises when people need to stress off....and you know the crisis =)

Karia Mirniman · Jun 26, 2009, 03:08 PM // 15:08

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

I bolded what I agree with. As for heads rolling unless we are stockholder of ANET we have no right to demand any personnel changes. We take what is offered, make suggestions and hope they listen. In America we have a free market economy where people speak with their money, that is what talks.

Not personnel changes but just about anything less than that is legitimate (including burning effigies outside the offices).

Most of us paid real money for the right to play the game(s). We were encouraged to pay that money via the infamous marketing that implied certain things would be possible and that certain things would be happening, i.e. improvements and updates. Therefore we have every right to complain, even vociferously if appropriate (more effigies please), when our expectations, which are set by A-Net, are not met (or managed). It’s exactly the same as when you go and purchase a new pair of shoes; find the heels are not quite the same length and the retailer says tough they are all like that.

Can you imagine how it felt when a player found that the heroic profession they picked was considered, in mid to end game, the equivalent of Leecher and that whenever they wanted to 'join in' with everyone else, in a game that is positioned as a world class MMO, they were insulted and ignored (Mesmer before PVE skills). That player would be correct in thinking the ‘be a hero and save Tyria’ marketing was written by the fairies, the skill balancer was a brainless Troll and that A-Nets non-policing of the game (No DMs) was bad.

The PVE player is (was) perfectly entitled to burn some effigies over why some professions i.e Paragon and Ritualist were progressively limited to fulfil the needs of a minority of players (re: Skills nerfed to fix genuine PVP problems).

Yes I do understand that GW is A-nets game. But A-net has an obligation to the players, due to how they describe the game when it is sold, and sometimes they do not fulfil that obligation. If it was F2P it would be different.

And I can give plenty more examples of how over time this fabulous game has developed obscene WOWzits. Evolving into WOW was never on the box.

So complaining is legitimate and taking what is offered without complaint is wrong, more importantly complaining is one of the normal channels through which a company gets feedback.

If not for the whining we would all be using Ursan.

p.s. I’m currently in a ‘I hate GW’ phase due to A-net changing COP and not changing Assassins.

Red Sonya · Jul 05, 2009, 02:08 PM // 14:08

The reason to complain is to hopefully get your complaint fixed or changed in the game in YOUR favor. That's why there are always so many arguements and complaints about the complainers. But, all you have to do is look at past changes and those that complained the loudest and the longest got what they wanted Added to the game or DELETED from the game. Whinners always win instead of winners. lol Losers still lose though. lol

Mad Lord of Milk · Jul 05, 2009, 04:52 PM // 16:52

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

Why not just move on to another game that will satisfy your needs in a game?

Because whining satisfies our needs in a game.

Enon · Jul 05, 2009, 07:11 PM // 19:11

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

Why not just move on to another game that will satisfy your needs in a game?

Because you won't be there :-(

Kuroshi · Jul 05, 2009, 07:41 PM // 19:41

Unfortunately I am forced to watch WWE 3 times a week, my wife is totally addicted to it.

Now my point with saying that is this.

If you notice the story lines on those shows are designed to aggravate, annoy, etc... 90% of the watchers, while the other 10% might like the people they have as champs and what not.

Why do you think that is? This type of plot writing draws the 90% of the viewers back week after week. They tell themselves man maybe this week my guy will win, or maybe this week that jerk who has the belt will get beat down good.

This is precisely what draws 90% of the players back to GW after so long, you continue to tell yourself well maybe this next maintenance or maybe this next update they will add the things I want. Maybe the OP (insert class) will finally get nerfed. The list goes on, Anything that is marketed to the public has to have that "annoy the (expletive) out of me" part in order to be successful.

Many of the people who believe this game is going down the drain, are the same paying for the extras even after they continue to complain.

I'm not posting this to get on anyone, I'm posting totally neutral. My point is that they are doing something right either way you look at it, because even the people who are 100% sure that this game fails are still here playing.

Rocky Raccoon · Jul 06, 2009, 12:02 PM // 12:02

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Originally Posted by Enon

Because you won't be there :-(

You never know.

Clone · Jul 06, 2009, 01:10 PM // 13:10

I complain because I loved what Guild Wars was and hate the grindfest that it has become. Really, I've lost hope that we'll be able to get through to them on GW1, but am still holding on to a small ribbon of hope that they will return GW2 to being a game about "skill, not time spent playing." Although, now with talk of infinite leveling, I don't see much hope of that happening either.